Thursday, January 3, 2013

Future Plans

I have been thinking on what I plan for the game and other projects.

There are some fun games of mind control and slavery at the Hypnopics Collective (registration required, most require the installation of the RAGS engine)
http://hypnopics-collective.net/viewforum.php?f=11
Examples: "The House Jack Built", "Rough Landing 1 & 2", "The Other New Thing", "The Lilith Device", "Bodywerks" and a lot of others. Note quite a few a rather linear, and a lot of games in the sub-forum are incomplete (including a couple I listed). I really liked the "Rough Landing" games, particularly 2.

I keep feeling inspired to develop a game on similar lines, for instance
  • a fantasy dungeon type exploration game where you are trapped in a labyrnth. The only key to escape is to acquire a large harem of slaves. Pregnancy, bondage & domination, tg, mind control and some body modification would be involved. Probably mainly text based with limited images, maybe just location/item type. I have a good idea for the story here. Not really CoC inspired, but probably some influence there.
  • a story of hypnotic domination where you seek to enslave others, a modern era semi-realistic setting (except for the unrealistic hypnotic slavery elements)
I have a number of other ideas, including a machine sex/training/transformation game (think the 'game' 'Milk Plant Battle Girl' where there is gameplay). Yes, I know these ideas all have slavery elements, I like the fantasy.

Now, SlaveMaker take most of my free time, but I daydream of working on these, and fantasise about their stories too. I will be working on the Slave Maker game engine to make it on the low level more generic so I can at some point copy it and use it as the basis for one of these.

The key changes would involve
  • rearrange the house/dungeon exploration system to be more flexible and generic. Not a complex change, maybe a days work. Mostly a xml expansion to make it a lot simpler to implement an exploration
  • make the shop system more generic and flexible. I have a base system but it is awkward to use
  • similarly for the visit system for people
  • extemd the basic city structure in the game now to be more flexibleand comprehensive.
  • Split apart the generic code and the slave maker specific code. This is at least partially done, but there is a lot to consider here, would be best to create a basic Game class (partially done)
  • not sure about some low level bits, like the way stats work, but probably would be ok, or require minimal changes (some universe specific mechanics for instance)
 Undoubtably there would be lot more but this is all I have thought of so far. I will work on these as time permits and a number of these will help the game in general anyway.

Otherwise things I plan to complete in the mid term future
  • Ranma upgrade
  • Krystal the Star Fox
  • BE Forest event and it's included Cow Girl training
  • Puppy Girl Training
  • Masochist training
  • Lady Grey
  • extend backgrounds for slave makers
  • house upgrades and exploration
  • Slave Lum
  • extensions to Mugi
  • other cities to explore/live in

110 comments:

  1. "One small step for SlaveMaker, one giant leap for CmacProjects."

    I would suggest you tackle one at a time from each list. For example: Days 1-3 work on the key change for house exploration, Days 4-6 Ranma, Day 7 read through code.

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    1. And on the eighth... Hey, just what day DO you rest on, anyway? ;-)

      Cmac,

      Speaking of Ranma, did you get the file from Dropbox? If you did, I can go ahead and delete it there. if not, I'll PM the link to you again. I just added the updated Holo package as well.

      SR

      Tabrit and Birgit Ilsen,
      Ilsen Badehus,
      5 King's Road,
      Mardukane, Mioya

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  2. Your motivation is unbreakable lol. thanks

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  3. LOL. Was wondering when travel would be implemented. I figured we thought alike and was only matter of time before this happens. Don't forget to travel to new cities to pick up slaves or the ever so event to unlock/acquire slaves. Gets me to thinking that I might have to change the slaves I want to work on when you get this in the game. And it is good to see you have interests other than slavemaker that you would like to work on. As much as I would like to help and contribute I am afraid my coding is nill but you have many others to help you and take your time with things. Keep up all the nice work.

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  4. Try the game "harem" for rpgmaker. It is quite similir with your ideas cmac. It includes a protagonist that hypnotices (with his co**) girls and brings them to his giant harem, which will later be sold to his country.(in order to save it (lack of women etc.)

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    1. Thanks, I have played it, but I was wanting to write one of my own, not just play one. Note: I talked about playing Haren in a post in November.

      Also I wanted the mind control aspects to be more detailed and have other elements not featured in Harem. For instance Harem feature dominant male, submissive female. I would like to explore dominant female and also dickgirl/futa (not shemale)

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    2. Yeah I noticed it on your suggested sites right after I posted, but I didnt have the power to remove my own post :P

      Well that sounds like a plan, and I guess it would be awesome for you to get a bit more creative freedom again considering how comitted you've been to SM.

      Good luck ^^

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  5. please, please, please!!! use pictures in your next game !
    WIP and CoC projects are good but the missing of pictures and animations is an important lack.

    I know that a pictured game can't do as good as CoC for the corporal alterations...

    maybe something may be done with a doll system like in Otherworld or HHS+ ?

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  6. Oooooh... cow girl training! I can't wait!

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    1. Cmac, I have an idea for you. The Hellfire group is currently developing the slave Whitney; one of their long list of slaves to make. From what it looks like on the wiki Whitney looks like she will be very Cow-Slave like; my reasoning, her special stat is "Milk Cow". So my idea is this:

      "When you finish Cow-girl training and they finish Whitney, how about you make Cow-Slave training available like there is for Kasumi with her "Cum Slut" training?"

      This is just an idea, I know there would have to be some negotiation for more code in Whitney, and, from observing the Usagi release, you will have a long time before Whitney will be available to play.
      ----No offense to the Hellfire Group

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    2. Another 3rd party developer is working on the Cow Slave Training, and collaborating with Hellfire to incorporate Whitney, although there will be a new NPC to teach the *SM* how to do the training, benefits if the SM is herself an Ex-Cowslave.

      Most of the developers on the Palace strive to collab whenever feasible.

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  7. Oh Man, the BE+Cowgirl and the Maso Training needs doing ASAP. I love the BE event (even though it doesn't trigger that often) and training a Masochist would be so cool.
    How about that idea floating around in the Sakuya thread to make Anal Slaves as a special training for all slaves?

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    1. The developer of Sakuya still has the "anal sex toy" stuff to implement in the game. Before jumping the gun wait and see what the training is going to be like. I am assuming you will have Sakuya act as the implementor of the "Anal Slut" training like Kasumi is for the "Cum Slut" Training.

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  8. I didn't see Lady Grey in the list. ; ;

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    1. Cmac listed some pretty large objectives. Lady Grey probably slipped his mind when he posted it or is a low priority for the game (we can all just enjoy the renown/attack boosts for now).

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  9. Hi,

    I am just wondering if there is any plans on completing the glory hole events and the bar events (I don't remember the name, it's the place where you can play blackjack)?

    Thank you for your game. It's amazing.

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    1. You mean the "Red Lily" event. The "Red Lily" event is made by a different developer, not Cmac. Since the developer has not shown any progress or sign that they are working on it in the past 4-6 months, then I would consider that this event is dead in the water.

      My suggestion is to be patient for the developer to work on it some more, or for some developer who has connections to him/her to negotiate if they could have the rights to the event and work on it at their own expense.

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  10. Small question: if I use Manya and Minea as assistants and I do not have the tentacle backgrounds or inhuman anscestory, do I still get the Tentacle Expert skill temporarily?

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  11. Hi i wonder whether anyone would include the kingdom hearts 2 cast just to make the game alot more interesting. I do enjoy this game and found it bc of fenoxo. And i mean the characters Sora, Riku, Kairi, axel, xion, and roxas. I know aqua is coming n it would be awesome if ventus and terra showed up in the game too

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  12. Those game ideas sound amazing.
    Want any help with them, story or proofreading-wise?

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  13. I play a lot of rags games, so if you program one game, it will be awesome... just as Slave Maker is...

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  14. Interesting, however I'm not big with games that are text based. I don't really consider sm3 to be text based despite all the text. I think it's the way the interface is done. If the future projects keep the same interface, count me in. I do have a quick request, the game is lacking one small thing, the ability for your slave maker to be a furry. (or is that in there?) I am really looking forward to the puppy training. (a fantasy of mine) keep up the great work cm.

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    1. Your SM can become a furry in advanced creation. You will look like one, but there is nothing after that. Wait for it to be updated

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    2. Ah then it's the fairy creatures you can not choose. My bad.

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  15. What contains the Peach sorceress visit file? I can't get it in the game and would like to try reloading it. I meet the requirements to meet the sorceress and received the visit invitation, but when I go to the visit menu she is not listed. Has anyone else had this problem? I've tried multiple times but haven't found a solution.

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    1. It appears all special visits and many encounters are broken. Cmacs optimization may have helped in the base game. But there are now many imposible things that in previous versions were just difficult. Gaining a couple seconds of load time at the cost of whole swaths of the game is not much of a trade.
      Not a knock on Cmac, his work is greatly appreciated and admired. One man can only do so much. I might suggest getting a stable platform before attemptng these very ambitious new changes. Maybe going back to the last stable game (3.0??) is an option.

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    2. To the last replyier here, my post here is for mid term plans.

      I will be fixing all reported bug in the game. I am not clear on what issues other than the special visits are broken?

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    3. I've also been unable to trigger any non-standard ending. I met the requirements for the Crime Lord Peach ending, but still just get "Marriage" - same with two other slaves, getting one of the basic endings instead of their special content.

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    4. Fairy encounters for fairy queen quest. Cosplay amd milking cafe for Menace (I may have given up too soon on these.) Rogue modeling job. I know there are others I can't think of right now. As I said, I am not knocking your efforts. They are well.... amazing. It may just be too much for one person, maybe beta testing would save many headaches. I am sure MIA, Lilith Dark Elven and others would be willing to help.

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  16. i hope you get into latex and bondage like you did with the ambassadors two girl great idea their to btw.

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  17. Don't know how to report this, so hope this gets to the dev

    While downloading the torrents pack, my Norton AV detected and removed a file due to infection with virus.

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    1. This is a minor issue, a potential buffer overrun, not a virus as such. I'll re-encode the image to prevent this in future

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    2. This version of the image should be fine
      http://exoshare.com/download.php?uid=1556XXSO

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  18. That game you linked before, "Harem" was amazing and not for all the hentai stuff but rather the game itself was just really well made. It made me really enjoy those old school games but without the need to rely on nostalgia.

    I even decided to get RPG Maker and take a crack at something similar. RPG Maker is boring but when I got into all of the references and making stuff make sense across the board like weapon names that was really capturing. I didn't even realize I spent a half a day tinkering with spells and armors and statuses as well as characters.

    Thanks for all the refferences.

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  19. Anyone know, is slave nami number 71 still not realese yet? It not appeare in full game version 3.3.03a

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    1. The release of Nami had bestiality content without any option to exclude it. I have decided not to generally release until a version with a prompt like Menace or similar is implemented.

      The developer who released Nami has not been active so I may just modify and release a verions when I have some free time.

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  20. could you test if the uninhibitory drug
    also only gives the breast expansion scene for you, no matter the outcome(demon,...)?

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  21. Just my feedback;

    I've given them a shot, but I just can't get in to text or lightly-pictured stuff.

    The custom girl 3d stuff is awesome (Harem was an amazing suggestion, thank you!)....but I couldn't get in to, say, Pornarium.

    I'm sure people will still like anything you make though. I hope SM3 will continue to grow, as it is a gloriously awesome game. (And I still wish you would take donations, just for you developing the engine).

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  22. You're one of the few people that can do better and have an existing fanbase that will pay attention. Fantasy dungeons are overdone. What room it has to be fresh causes the possibilities to trap itself later on when the party/victim never escapes from the dungeon. Ever.

    With your talent, recognition and user base it would be a step back from the world of Slave Maker where the girls ends up kinda-sorta helping train another girl and simulating the chain of events forward despite their own choice of freedom.

    It's also a weakness of hypnosis fiction - it stops being hypnofiction the longer it goes and goes back to being slave fiction minus the part where the stats can be a threat. The static hypno-equipment and stat growth in Hentai Sim Brothel for example pales in comparison to the modular flexibility of Slave Maker.

    We've never met before and I'm not an active member of the community. There is simply a lack of H/non-H sims out there that can have the same elements as fantasy dungeons and control cliches that have not been as explored.

    There's a lack of notable Dangerous People in Power vs. Unlikely Usurper since Discipline Record of the Crusade and that's 50-75% of the premise for great hypno-domination and mobile fantasy dungeons. Power struggles and conquest of a real dynamic enemy that acts like they are already in power. You can still throw in hypnosis there but you can go above it by focusing on planting triggers rather than enslavement and shows like the Mentalist proves there's an interested audience for that. Then there are shows like American Horror Asylum and Arrow that walk the line between escape and masochistic duty to the area. It's something that CoC is also doing to one of their locations but have not yet finished to my knowledge. They have a town protected in the barrier plot going on where the protagonist meets random strangers at night telling them to heed certain individuals. There's many heroine themed stories that always stops at the part where the heroine gives up and becomes a slave. Not many have noticed or emulated the following of comics like Bomb Queen.

    Think about it and good luck! The way I see it, even if you don't attempt anything ambitious, you already have everything honed in. Instead of a slave running away, you can have a meter that convinces a person to regularly visit the avatar and the same reasons why a person wants to obey tends to be the same moral and ethical reasons why they would consider staying in a bad place and faith continues to be the same line of induction they have to continue being dominated and enduring the hardships of the town/spaceship/school board/country...the reason CoC even needs a portal is because it only has one meter for enslavement. You have meters, you have equipments, you have multiple characters, you have saved data on a new game+. The potential of your game to provide something that no one has seen is limitless compared to every other game that had to resort to a particular mechanic to establish the fantasy.

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    1. Thanks for the comment.

      I do understand the ideas I describe have been done before, but not to my satisfaction. For instance CoC is unending and not primarily about slavery. A large number of fantasy dungeon games
      - any sex is game over stuff
      - or if you lose, not by choice if you win
      There are some collecting type games, but few playable or with translations.

      Harem for instance has a nice story and I like it and does have progression for your slaves, but there is no choice on your part, it is scripted. Similarly the recruiting is quite scripted with little variation.

      The hypno games are often quite linear or do not allow much progress, you get the slave and that is it. Some have slight changes after.

      Please remember I do not intend to stop working on SlaveMaker and as I noted I intend to use the core game engine in any later games so many elements will be the same.

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    2. I'll just put these two story links here as reminders for why hypno games and fantasy games end up being linear in case you haven't considered it.

      http://www.literotica.com/s/dare-me-not-ch-01
      http://www.literotica.com/s/jinxed

      (The part below is just in case sharing the links makes no sense.)

      I hope you fully understand why they are often linear. It can be a headache otherwise. Game over sex freshened the linear game over screens of fantasy dungeons in my opinion.

      As far as people,a slave owner can time skip to the next slave but a person inside a fantasy dungeon must solve a quest and when they solve it, must immediately return to the outside world. Letting them stay inside a dungeon just turns it into a mansion of infinite treasures which is opposite of a hypno-slave plot.

      A slave trainer must someday lose their slave but a harem owner especially in the hypno plots can only keep the women provided you do not add all the threat of authorities, family members visiting and other non-sex related plot points that make the sex hypnofiction genre fresh and exciting. (It can often be a kidnapping sim more than a hypno sim when the non-linear values are allowed to play.)

      I guess what I'm trying to add from my previous post is that danger is a more important aphrodisiac to these games than Slave Maker.

      CoC fell ways apart when it finally had to explain and present the second act of the quest to the player. If the porn genre is not a haven for people who just want to get off, the revelations for why the demons existed in the game jumped the shark and ruined everything that came after. Without spoiling too much, what was a non-linear dangerous world turned out to be a linear hunt for some stones and it did in fact became a slave collecting game because the plot was incomplete and there really was only two ways to progress from there. Dress up doll game or slave collection.

      I'm sure you'll find ways to deal around this but these key problems tend to be overlooked at the beginning which is my suspicion for why these games turn out to be linear. Too often it's easy to just look at how one gameplay sequence can make the game less linear and scripted but then it ends up being more linear than the model you were trying to avoid.

      You can try to clone a vibrator into a non-modern setting and sometimes all you need is to find an excuse for why it's being inserted into the genitalia of a character. With hypnosis any excuse like mind control instantly turns a non-linear hypno game into a linear harem game with a mere mind control introduction.



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    3. (pt. 2)

      Nothing is safe.

      It's all about how the victim "Charlie Chaplins" their way into a sexual predicament on their own. It's not just a random encounter and most non-linear incidents are not when the protagonist are around and there's a bunch of time leaps involved.

      For example, the harem factor tends to be used in scripted scenarios because then the hypno factor can be excused away as a bare premise and the users can always be around to see the girl's mishaps. In decent hypnostories, the planner is rarely around to spot the fruits of his work. More so as the writer gets better at adding unintended consequences.

      You can get away with a girl in a mind control collar or a slave already won over like a vampire only because the plot is scripted to not add the actual non-linear parts of hypnosis.

      Once you start adding the non-linear parts, there has to be a defensive reason for why the girl needs to be hypnotized. The girl could just as have been wooed normally but the scripted sequence says you have to hypnotize her without one.

      When CoC lures the player into consuming an item, the rarity is the actual item itself. When you give a slave an equipment, the stat changes the girl not the item.

      In the real non-linear part of hypno stories, the technology is very important. You have to keep it from being handed over to your enemy or the government. An invisible girl who drank an invisible potion cannot get caught ever. A cursed girl must always be shy around their clothes and no matter how much they cave in, they cannot ever accept being ok with knowing and being a slave to the curse, character or other person. Otherwise...well game over...unless you can script a way out.

      Then once they do, it's back to the same formula of a nice story that does have progression for slaves but there is no choice on your part.

      CoC barely escapes this and only because a part of the game point is to make the characters stronger but that only swerves the linear part to the part where the restarting new game players have to be savvy when avoiding one game over ending or go to extreme abusive weak PC chasing when trying to get a tough ending.

      In hypnofiction, the plot only keeps from becoming a scripted harem so long as the girl continues to be a slave to herself and never a property of someone else. It's like it picked the most difficult part of BDSM to emulate where in you flip it around and the safe word has to be the harm word but you can't go mad with power and the girl cannot lose so much willpower else it becomes a Slave Maker Witch game (like Bible Black) and not a Hypno-Slave game.

      It's really tricky. Narrow the game mechanics and you still have to create a scarcity effect for the menu items to create a non-linear world where you have to isolate the person, send out possibly more than one person for a hockey pass task, make the girl think there is nothing wrong with the world, keep the CoC plot going while avoiding the pitfalls they made...even with the exact same elements with no new features the fact that the non-linear portion must come from the girl never regularly visiting the protagonist makes it more Tokimeki Memorial than Slave Maker unless you cave in to the linear parts.

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  23. I gotta hand it to you Cmac, you never seem to run out of ideas for expanding the game! Glad to hear you had a good holiday break, you definitely deserve some time off. Just wondering, since you didn't mention it in the mid-term updates plan; are we ever going to see the tentacle whore maker skill / ending?

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  24. Is there any plans to allow players to train more than one slave at a time? And I don't mean the minor slave way.

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    1. Adaption to Daniel's question. Are there any plans to allow players to train minor slaves in the game or is it just planned to train them using the give orders feature?

      In response to Daniel's second part of post. I think that the minor slave method of training is pretty useful. Sure you won't be able to trigger character events like Sakuya's war on the Scarlet Mansion or Yureka's decent into herm lust, but sometimes a slave trainer has to multitask.

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    2. There have been suggestions to train more than one Full Slave by the Assistant taking one and the SM the other. The suggestion was to make a slightly different use of the tabbed plannings. Also there has been a long-standing suggestion to allow certain Minors to accompany a sufficiently obedient slave (late into their training), at which time the supervising Minor would receive a percentage of the bonuses the Slave-in-Training does.

      Also in the works are *animal* "minor slaves" (non-sexual for bundling with the game), I'm working on a War or Carriage Dog to be able to not only act as pet and walking weapon with the SM or Assistant, but to clip the SiT's leash to its collar as "supervision".

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    3. I have a few questions about this "animal" minor slaves adaption.

      1. In regards to the name "animal" minor slaves, wouldn't it be easier to classify them as "Domesticated Animals?" The name suits the role a little bit better.

      2. Will you have to train these animals to perform tasks? Or are they already broken/trained for typical uses.

      3. Will you have to give these animals orders in the "Talk to Your Slaves" Tab? If so, then is there any plan to oranize this to keep the animals separate from the humans?

      4. With the introduction of these animal slaves, will you cause the majority of Slave Makers who excel in training Pony-Slaves be without a job and cripple the Mioya economy?

      5. That was just a joke, but Pony Slaves seem to be the equivalent of horses for transportation and agriculture in the game. With the introduction of animals, aside as weapons or guard dogs, what use will they have? Will there be restrictions based on housing or a fee to keep them in a kennel?

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    4. An pet animal to supervise human? Well, that's certainly an uncomfortable thought. lol.

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    5. Animal "Minor Slaves" are at this time called such because that is basically what I'm designing, an animal which will use the Minor Slave coding hooks. There will be tweaks once the first is implemented and issues uncovered. Eventually they should become their own Class. My thinking is to be either the basic Animal Companion, but pets and other animals such as chickens, Hunting Birds, Horses, regular dogs and cats will be implemented. Some will be grades, some being better trained, such as a "(War)Steed" vs horse vs plow-horse, etc. Some bonuses should be available, such as a cat providing small bonus ala Minako's cat watching, etc.

      Horses will not replace Ponygirls, but there are plans to provide jobs *for* ponygirls, such as running rickshaw-like taxis.

      Some animal grades will not be suitable for "supervision", which I intend mainly for the War/Carriage Dogs. They will not exactly be "supervising" as much as "herding" like any good shepherding dog can do. The Slave will still need to be at a certain level of obedience. (there is also talk about allowing a point where the Slave can self-supervise in the future)

      Still, when accompanying anyone, slave, assistant, a minor slave, or SM, the War Dog will also be treated as if a weapon, so a high percentage of scaring off tentacles and rapists from thinking of attacking the same as if the SM is carrying a weapon.

      Currently I've collected images of Link-as-wolf for the first Dog. I'm also looking to the Balto series as well as trying to find a CG-set of the feral dog from the H-game *Gang-banged Policewoman".

      Finally, only non-sexual versions of Animals will ever be bundled with the game, but *I* also plan to enable and distribute sex-enabled versions. Cause I'm sick like that… :P

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    6. Same Anonamous with the Questions.

      Beastiality? Saw that coming. Well, if you need pics for them check out Starless (the eroge not the anime) if you haven't already. That eroge had a lot of cruel bad ends, especially the one with the guilotine. You can find images of pig, dog, horse, scat...the basics for the people who like that stuff.

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    7. Finding images of bestiality is not the problem. The challenge is finding enough of the same *individual* animal, especially full-body (though with horse a "bust" may have to do) for the Cells, to sell the idea it is the *same* individual, just as with any other character.

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  25. So the good/evil thing is long term? And what about merging the advanced creation system with the pick package so they become backgrounds?

    Careful, too many ideas can be dangerous if you get lost among them. Take a deep breath and calm down before committing, and don`t ever try many at once.

    Also, I don`t like mind control myself and am fairly certain others would share the sentiment, but fetishes are not discussable subject matter. So, at least consider a persuasion route alternative to outright mind control.

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    1. That is why you write down what you commit to to make.

      As what the first poster said "Day 1-3....", tackle one at a time to not get lost in projects.

      For the topic of mind control: which is the lesser evil? Controlling their mind or persuading them down a path or destruction?

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    2. TRK
      almost everything in the packages can be replicated using the advanced system (not sure if there is anything unique anymore, I do not think so). Sill the packages are useful for a quick start to save picking options.

      For the ideas, I did note they are mid future, and are largely ideas.

      The game concepts I mentioned are long term future, and I do so quite a varied option to them. I'll have to consider them more.

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    3. It was more about adding another dimension to customization. And at least the lesbian package can start with lesbian 2 which is not on the advanced options, you removed it from one place and not the other. This particular could be the only case where customizing with lesbian 2 would be possible but with some sort of androphobia to offset (like not allowing males assistants/minor slaves/slaves).

      The difference for the system would be coupled options. I see your point tough, and it is more straightforward for those who don't like customizing indeed.

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  26. I happened to have encountered a scene I have seen before and could use some assistance in duplicating it. Unforutnately I can't find information on the wiki about it here. I'll give what relevant data I can but:

    My slavemaker has the tentacle hybrid background and I was training Aeris. I can't remember who my assistant was.. but I had an unusual tentacle impregnation event. Basically in essence Aeris gave birth to a creature which the text said specifically was your child. (The child looked like a head with tentacle extensions) I tried to figure out what the conditions are, or how to replicate it, but nothing I tried worked.

    Any ideas?

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    1. It is not a special event as such, just the normal result of you impregnating anyone! Your children are part tentacle as well. This was new as of version 3.3.03

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    2. Oh! That explains it then then. My final question then is for this to trigger on the main slave (in this case Aeris) did it happen from the nightly activity or something else?

      Either way, thanks for the continued work on this game. It's really amazing looking back at it.

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    3. It happens like all pregnancies, have sex with them vaginally when they are not on birth control. There is a chance of impregnation, default 30%

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    4. Huh. I wonder why it's not triggering then. Does Vampire make it harder or no effect on it?

      I tried multiple uses "Fuck Her", "Threesome" and even "Orgy" as the only male for about 10 nights in a row with nothing. I figure my odds would be able to trigger that just by skipping everything and checking with Cora.

      Other then the night actions are there any daytime actions I could try or suggestions?

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    5. Pregnancies take a while, so you can impregnate and then they will eventually give birth. Human pregnancies tak 9 months after all. I forget if this tentacle version is quicker, notmally tentacle ones take a couple of weeks, but not sure if this is the same for your or not, will check

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    6. Also did you stop your slave taking contraceptives via "Take Potions"

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    7. The tentacle version is quicker if my recent tests are thing to go by. And generally Cora will give the hint about the weight gain.

      I did however remove contraceptives via the "Take Potions" menu and my results were still not working. However, if I did the "talk to your slaves" and used the "intimacy" option it works clearly with the right amount of default time. (Even tested a game where I edited the xml to make it 100%) and it worked every time for every minor slave there was. In both "Orgy" and "Threesome" options. (Though I did have one scene where a female was pregnant from one saying they had no clue who the child belonged to, even though the only male was the Slavemaker)

      However, when it comes to the primary slave.. it just does not seem to be happening. That is why part of me thought the Vampire trait was preventing this, but I saw no mention of that at all, plus it worked a few times before (though I'm unaware of what action or how it triggered)

      I even opened up the debugging mode after about 15 nights of just skipping and auto repeating the "Fuck Her" command, then skipped time just in-case Cora didn't record it. Went ahead about 10 months via the +1 day button.. and.. well.. everyone else had children who did (all the minor slaves) but Aeris just wasn't having it. Tried turning the contraceptives on, then back off. Nothing still.

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    8. If you have the events packs then the realistic body change event/mod implements a fertility cycle - if it's the wrong 10 days then you have no chance - just keep trying every night

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    9. @Lilith Dark-Elven

      I think you solved the problem. I was thinking it was more along the lines with the minor slaves / assistants where it's a percentage chance upon each usage. Where the main slave is it's apparently on an actual cycle.

      Thank you.

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  27. RedRocket

    Now that I over at FUTANARI palace I will probably comment more there.
    Again loving things.
    But to me adding totally new things with all the not implemented features is frustrating. To someone like me it is better if something not mentioned in game at all if there is not enough implementation to enjoy it. Especially if like me you started playing the game and picked an option like Tentacle Hybrid and then have it do nothing after a lot of time trying to do things to activate before you discover the non implemented list. Now these things don't have to be as fully implemented as one would like but they all need to be at least basic level implemented. If you don't plan to get around to it for awhile pull the option from the game or at least put not operating in description so new players don't frustrate themselves trying to do non implemented list.

    As long as your doing slaves and base game cmacleod42 your unlikely in my opinion to ever get to new projects as it will take to long to get base finished. But your doing this for your fun so do what you want to do and like me be frustrated you can't do everything.

    Now to get a Mac version of the base to several of the games you mentioned.

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  28. I don't know if it was reported yet (didnt see it anywhere) but on the last version, when playing as a freelance slavemaker (no planned end) it only stay as such for 2 to 3 slaves, then somehow becomes guild slavemaker (with planned end), and this for all next slaves...
    Once it switches, i can't go back anymore to freelancer unless i start a new game.

    Not sure why this happens, i tried on my old computer with win xp, and on a recent one with win7, same issue.
    Also happens regardless of slamaker gender.
    Tried with different original slaves and new/vanilla ones.


    The job option for owned slaves is awesome though!

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  29. If live in mansion (with wealthy attribute), if after finish training slave you select new house then cancel I think you no longer live in mansion and can not select it.

    ~Anonymous

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  30. Hey Cmac,

    First of all, congratulations on running this game for so many years! :)

    Secondly, reading this post, I can't help but to express my thoughts: do you ever feel like this game suffers from ever growing scope creep? It's like, it marvelously achieved it's initial objective of simulating a slave trainer, but then it forever kept adding more aspects to the game, maybe making it feel forever incomplete. To me, this game kind of seems like the VH rpg of the west; It's very interesting, and long, and it'll take you forever to see everything! But at the same time, it has the unwieldy feel of a game that's forever beta. Components that are constantly becoming outdated, questions about if something is compatible or not, etc.

    I mean, let's look back at Pooolka. He set an objective of creating SlaveMaker, and when he felt he achieved that system, he stopped and moved on. He went on to make also-successful SimBrothel, SimBrothel 2 and Hentai high. They were all interesting games in themselves, but he never really went back to grow and grow previous games.

    I'm not saying you should be like him or anything. You should be yourself, and do what makes you happy. But, if you decide to say, "Ok, SlaveMaker 3 is complete, I will no longer work on this now. I will now go on to make SimToaster.", I don't think the audience will punish you. I think they will eagerly wait for your next game release. :)

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    1. I suppose I just like working on SlaveMaker, and there is a lot of potential to put into it, so I do not really play to stop working on it in the forseeable future.

      As I noted I will certainly work on other games, but SlaveMaker will remain.

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  31. I hope for your own sake that you are never fooled into starting a RAGS project . .

    That ENGINE literally sucks ASS and will devour your TIME and your SOUL.

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    1. No, I have done some work with it in the past, but I do not find it interesting to program.

      That is why I mentioned using the core engine of SlaveMaker for future games

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  32. I don't know if these have been reported yet, or if they are bugs.

    1. When I go to the Armorer, look at a weapon, check out my invintory, and go back to buy the weapon I find myself buying some potion from the shop (Aphrodisiac mostly).

    2. After completing the ruins quest, gaining the slave Deala, and starting a new slave to train I can re-do the ruins quest. I meet the same slave that gets sent to the ruins, same conversation with Lady Farun, and can still get the slave Deala. Choosing either option in the second quest does not affect the first Deala, nor is she duplicated.

    3. This one is probably more my own fault: When training Akane and accepting the pill at the farm I begin the cow slave ending. I do the "Get Treatment" option 5 times and never go back for (the treatment and the farm) the rest of her training. When I choose to complete training I get the cow slave ending. I know that being milked six times nets the ending. My question for this issue is "when training Akane, do you still get the option to go fight the farmer or report him after a week or more has passed and the slave finds out that she has been tricked?" I never had this occur in her training so I would like to know.

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    1. Also, When training Akane I get and accept the love confession from Ms. N. When completing training she is not in my home roster of assistants/slaves.

      This brings me to ask :Since you can visit Ms. N, is she not supposed to fall in love with the SM and that the confession was never supposed to happen?

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  33. "extend backgrounds for slave makers"

    I hope this is also referring to completing some traits and perks while adding new ones.
    Adding new ones is always welcomed, but I biasly prefer completed ones. e.g. 10 completed one rather than 20 half completed.
    Not sure, but just an example I think furry and maybe some others are incomplete or maybe have no effects at all? I suggest ones that does nothing at the moment and will be worked on in later future be removed at the moment so no confusion arise? Or may it's only me whose confused when 'YAY furry cost 10 points,' click*... checks forum*... 'what? it does nothing at the moment? hmm is the 10 point investment worth it?' <<< just my ideas

    ~Anonymous

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    1. I meant finishing/extending the existing ones

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    2. Great! thumbs up*

      ~Anonymous

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  34. Me, Anonymous, again!sorry for double post, a fleeting thought.
    Many moons ago I recommended slaves be listed as vanilla or not so nubs like I will know. I come back few months? later and yay! But what is your definition of vanilla? At the moment I believe there is many vanilla ish slave listed as non vanilla. For me I would still consider a slave with 1 or 2 job/task name changed or a random skill/special stat that does nothing what so ever still vanilla. I would say slaves with at least 1+ event of their own might be considered non-vanilla. I suggest that it be divided into 3 category of vanilla, partially, and unique slaves so it is easier to tell them apart, OR merely make guideline of non-vanilla more strict similar to my example but with your own preferred guidelines. If vanilla or non is decided by each individual 3rd party slave developers than nvm, forget I mentioned anything because it will cause a havoc; everyone with their own bias view of what is or not vanilla.

    ~Anonymous

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    1. The game does not decide if a slave is vanilla. I did a pass and set the values for slaves when I implemented the icon. My decision was for slave with no custom content at all, as you not ones with a custom job or small events (say Mihoshi) are rather borderline but I chose non-vanilla for her as there is some customisation.

      Otherwise it is up to developers to choose and include the flag.

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    2. I see, but I hope those who merely have a change in name of job but does the same as original (so not really 'custom' job) or with a special action/stat that does nothing at all, will still be considered vanilla. Cause at the moment it seems like there is more non-vanilla than it should be. If the suggestion of 3 categories isn't too much effort, it may prove useful.

      ~Anonymous

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    3. Redrocket

      Hard to do a three way check box for vanilla. But it would be nice if developers stated beta or incomplete on their slaves descriptions if half completed features are mentioned or visable. Developers might have a finished basic version of a slave but have additional bells and whistle planed. In this case be nice if Developers would not put text pointing to content not yet implemented in description of slave in opening. Basically write a opening and event text that actually only mentions what is done not the final text opening the developer wishes to use when the slave is fully finished. I enjoy a vanilla slaves for at least some of my slaves so I like uncompleted slaves to play as long as opening and text plus stats and buttons don't refer to unimplemented content. With vanilla first version slaves I'm happy if the opening is very simple so developers don't need to do much work to put out their vanilla version.

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    4. ^ What I also thought of, but I thought it might require more work by using 2 independent pass; vanilla/non-vanilla & complete/not complete. But I know nothing about these stuff so if it is indeed easier this would be a good option too.

      ~Anonymous

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  35. Okay, I have questions concerning Assistants and skills they bring to the SM temporarily.

    1. If you use an assistant like Aeka, Shena, or Manya & Minea, then where do I see the skill, if at all?

    2. When using Shena as an assistant she is supposed to have "Nobility at Level 1." When I go and buy things with her in household I notice that there are prices reduced in the game.Is that supposed to happen normally?

    3. When I use Manya & Minea as Assistants I can not see where tentacles are and my slaves are aducted by tentacles. With the latest release their seems to be no protection from tentacles; in my playtroughs my slaves are abducted by tentacles once per slave. However, when I use Shena this never happens (tried it on 3 playthroughs with 3 slaves each playthrough). Is there something off or is it a bad download on my part?

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    1. 1) The assistant skills do not currently show, I have yet to make them visible.

      2) Shena does not give any help for purchasing. Sure it is not just your slave maker having Expert Trader skill

      3) abductions are only stopped if you choose to stop them. Check the House Details screen.
      I do not see why Manya/Minea do not show the tentacles, they have tentacle expert skill 2, as needed to show. I'll text
      Shena has no effect on abductions, I do not see how she could

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    2. Same Anon.

      I have no idea why tentacle abductions don't occur when I use Shena as an Assistant. Since I have used her, there have been no tentacles attack the slave nor assistant when she supervises from start to finish of slave training. I did get this one wierd rape event where there was an image of a tentacle but the text stated it as "rape" in general.

      I found out what caused the purchasing error. My game did something wierd when chanaging slaves and SMs, leading my skill/backgrounds from my older SM to be added to my newer one. Solution to it: Turn off the game, turn it back on.

      I beleive the Manya & Minea deal might be because I do not have the tentacle backgrounds or inhuman ancestrory. If I have tentacle backgrounds or inhuman ancestory, then I can see the tentacle events and use the house options.

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  36. Cmac, I know you have a very small amount of free time on you but what anime/manga/eroge have interested you/liked/or want to see from Summer to the Current Lineup?

    Or is it that you have matured beyond this?

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    1. I like a wide range, but I have not been as active reading/downloading for a while. I have no idea of forthcoming releases (or interest). I regularly visit e-hentai and download ones I like.

      I like a variety, but hard to say, not just one type. Once with
      - bondage
      - monsters (tentacles but depends)
      - pregnancy
      - some incest (say the works of Chanpon Miyabi for instance)
      - futanari
      Particularly the works of
      Hellabunna
      Studio Katsudon
      Udon-Ya (more like their artwork than stories though)
      Black Dog
      some Crimsom Comics (particularly their Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest)
      some Fuusen Club (the less shota/loli ones)
      Studio Wallaby (some very very good Ah My Goddess ones)
      and many others to name a few.

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    2. above
      - monsters (tentacles but depends)
      I meant
      - monsters (mostly non-tentacles, but some tentacles depending)

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  37. I just downloaded the new update 3.3.03b and I've run into a bug or something, the images for some of the slaves isnt showing, anyone else having this problem and/or does anyone know how to fix it?

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    1. it is an update, not a complete game. Most likely you have not extracted it over an existing game, or extracted it into a subfolder incorrectly

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    2. Yea, found the problem. Some of the slaves images was in "Images" folder and not in the "Images/Slaves". Thanks for the help.

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  38. Has anyone ever started any work on making Sekirei slaves? I have programmed before just never for flash. I have never programmed in SDK. Most programming is similar and I bet it wouldn't take long to get used to it. I can help or pick up where someone stopped.

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    1. Would you by chance be interested in a Kagari/Homura slave?
      Check out on the forums, they can help you. Also, you should know that you would need to find at least two pictures for every act in the game for the slave.

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  39. Well. If you enjoyed the the hypnopics' games. try out tfgamessite.com
    Another fun forum to visit. Most of their games also run on RAGS engine.

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    1. Thanks I have, some interesting games, but not quite to my interest in most cases

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  40. idk if you guys would like this game but i found dungeon inquisitor a good game for idea's enough to make me wish i knew how to add/edit to games

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  41. I'm new to the game and I have a question. When I created a character in advanced creation, the default points were at 100. 4 slaves later and with a SM at Renown of 40 I went to make a new SM. From here the default points in advanced creation were at 120, not 100. Can anyone explain this to me?

    Also, What do you prefer and what do you think is worse: Mind Control, Mind Break, or Persuading someone to walk a dark path?

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    1. Did you choose a lower difficulty? The points depend on the difficulty setting.

      Worse: Mind Break

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  42. Elesa bug. The bikini is a suimsuit, which does not allow beach access. It probably does not do anything. I think the bikini should be a swimsuit (with a double-u not a single-u).

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  43. I have posted thank you's a few times in the past, but with everything you have done for so many people, and what you are attempting to do with all your recent plans I feel the need to tell you that you have become a beacon of light in these bleak times. You are selfless, kind, generous, and you worked even when you were sick, (and I don't know if you still are but I hope your feeling better) and to top it all off you have never asked for anything but patience and understanding. You are a remarkable person, and for that I thank you.

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  44. Just noticed missing from your list is orgasm denial training.

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    1. That is in the longer term plans not the mid term. Still planned, just indefinite future

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  45. Hi, I have a problem with peach, after meeting the socceress and being invited to meet her, i couldnt find her anywhere at all lols. oh and when training peach, even when I clicked on furry brothel it still goes to the cave.

    and does anyone have the exact code to paste in configuration.xml to increase the default slave maker creation points? :D hehe im a cheater.

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  46. Oooh, cool! ^^

    I hope that extended backgrounds for slave makers & house upgrade/exploration are high on your list. There are so many that are placeholders/partly finished. Such a tease!! >_<

    Btw would you be able to have some mixed backrounds once you start workin on them? For example, Tentacle Hybrid + Demonic Ancestry for a higher point cost. Bein a Demonic Tentacle Hybrid would just be too badass!! :D

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  47. Instead of being a Demonic Tentacle Hybrid, how about the impossible: Furry Breeder or Furry Oven. Be the first and only in Mioya to have and create a Human/Furry hybrid baby. Think of the jobs available or the enemies coming to you to make you a slave.

    Aside from that, how would that work? A demon mates with a human, have a half spawn. Then that child mates with a tentacle? Very confusing.

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    1. Meant to post as reply to Crosaith, Date: January 12, 2013 10:00 AM

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    2. Could be a Succubus gets it on with tentacles? Why have a human part, succubus/succubi look more than enough human too fit in. Or maybe something like a demonic experiment/ritual gone weird. Then again, you could just say your father (inhuman ancestry) was a tentacle demon. Etc etc it's really only limited by the authors creativity. :P

      Double the coolness + you could enjoy the benefits of both in one long playthrough with more content, rather than having to play two different ones with normal content.

      As is, you can play demonic furry or a vampiric tentacle hybrid. So why not a demonic tentacle hybrid? :D

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  48. Hi, first time here, I was just wondering if there is working link for the full game torrent? The mediafire one no longer works and the gater links take an ungodly amount of time O.o

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  49. If you'd choose to use the RPG maker engine, feel free to ask me any questions. And it'd be very interesting to see what you create outside of the slavemaker game.

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  50. I think the ideas you are stated in this post of your's are a good idea, we can all ways use a pain slut or two in the game.

    As for a more felxible dungeon/city exploration system I think that it would be a good idea to exspand on the mine/ruins so that you can go back there once you have been through them and have a random event/battle take place.

    Also as a trait for male SMs I would love to see a Cock of Demonic Origin that will allow for male SMs to do succubuss/demon/devil training

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